我根本不是一个真正的摄影师 I'm not really a photographer at all. - 本字幕由 C-137空间公社大队长 和 小明同学 翻译 - -- 微博：C-137空间公社大队长 合作翻译请联系sunydone@yahoo.com --
相机除了是个工具便没什么了 The camera is nothing more than a tool.
乐于交流、 Communication,
直率、 simplicity,
构图、 shapes on a page.
最重要的是故事、 What's important is the story,
传递的信息、感知 the message, the feeling.
坐这儿？ [man in Greek] Sit here?
那种联系 [Platon] The connection.
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你怎样做的？ How do you make this...
对，就是这儿 [in Greek] Yes. There, there.
去探索人们？ reach people?
[speaking encouragement in Greek]
图像简化的决心，还有精神和灵魂的力量 It's a combination of graphic simplicity and the power of spirit and soul.
你想要生气的样子，不是快乐的样子 You want angry, not happy.
这是设计 [Platon] It's design.
[music playing]
[camera clicks and winds]
Cory,给我看看捕鱼人？ [Platon] Cory, can you show me the fisherman?
好 Okay.
看起来很棒 I think that looks pretty nice.
我就知道Bob走出大海会有很多特质 I know that Bob will be able to bring so much texture out of the sea.
[Cory] Oh, yeah.
在这岛上有些东西，你看不见，但我们会突出它 And there's loads of stuff in the island you can't see, but we'll bring it out.
牛仔布料的质感对我们来说是个惊喜 This is denim, which will be a gift to us，because of the texture.
-发现它真难 -这些木头都能被Bob衬托出来 -I hit it really hard.-All the wood, Bob can bring all that out.
好了，准备开始摄影吧。-爽！ -Okay. Let's set up for the shoot.-Cool.
看着一副Platon肖像， [Pollack] You can look at a Platon portrait,
你知道这是出自platon之手 and you know it's by Platon.
他为这个世界最重要人物拍照 He has photographed the most important people in the world
从最近20年开始 from the last two decades.
一张Platon肖像是有明暗、人物眼神 A Platon portrait is about lighting,it's about the person's eyes,
还有怎样的镜头位置让画面平衡 it's about the graphic nature of how he positions the camera.
有时候是低角度，有时候是正面水平 Sometimes it's from below,sometimes it's straight on.
有时候也会包含人物手臂 Sometimes it's really about the hands
从人身上拍一张夸张的表情 and about getting an exaggerated look from the person.
去了解一个灵魂 It is about getting the soul.
他拍摄的每个人在他们眼里都有一个表情 [Lois] Everybody he shoots has a look in their eye...
在你说“真糟糕”的地方 where you say, "Holy shit!"
你拍下它，以某种方式一直这样做 You're drawn to it,and somehow he gets it all the time.
但是我真觉得他是一位神秘莫测的摄影师 But I really think he's a mystical and magical photographer.
Platon带把一种强劲的力量 [Biondi] Platon brought an enormous power
注入到照片中，或者到白色的背景中 into that square or into that white background.
图形的全部就是构图 The composition is graphic.
某次它被出版了，你无能为力的看着它 Once it's published,you can't help but look at it.
没人能恐吓他，你知道的 And no one can intimidate him, you know,
普京都没恐吓过他 Putin didn't intimidate him.
Platon用自己方式来做，很勇敢、无畏和视觉化。 Platon has made this his own, and it's bold, graphic and fearless.
在拍摄之前 [Platon] Before a shoot,
我不想我怎样才能获得一张好画面 I'm not thinking, "How can I get a good picture?"
但是我会想我能从这个人身上学到什么 but "What can I learn from this person?"
每次都是这样 Every time.
人的处境是如此复杂 The human condition is so complicated.
有时候问题像：什么才算是一个好的领导者？ Questions like: what is good leadership?
激情有多重要？ How important is compassion?
遵从你精神上的呼唤 Following your own moral compass.
怎样去面对失败 How to cope with failure.
我们都疑惑的问题 Questions that we all actually want to know.
包括我自己 Including myself.
[exhales]
在他们释放自己的瞬间 To get to that point where someone is just open,
去抓住它 you've got to earn it.
花朵向阳光绽放 When a flower just opens to the light,
这就是它 that's what it is.
-你还要吗？ -够了，我们应该好了 -[Cory] Do you want more?-[Platon] No, we should be good.
好的，谢谢 All right, thanks.
我们应该送他哪本书？ What book shall we give him?
我觉得该是《Service》 -我也觉得应该是，对吧？ -[assistant] I think Service.-I think definitely Service, right?
对，当然 Yeah, of course. Yeah.
好 Yeah.
准备好了 We're good.
-一切完美 -好的 -It's perfect.-[Cory] Okay.
我不知道他像什么 [Platon] I don't know what he's going to be like,
也不知道他是怎样表达自己的 I don't know how open he's gonna be.
如果他紧张 If he's gonna be nervous,
他将怎样放松 how warm he's gonna be,
他的性格会有多保守 how conservative he's gonna be with his personality.
你必须为这些不确定做准备 You have to prepare yourself for that.
[entrance buzzer]
这样很无私，真的 [Biondi] It is very unselfish, really.
不管是谁站在他面前，他都会有兴趣 He's generally interested in whoever is there in front of him,
这意味着，你知道的，他们都很愿意和他合作 and this does something, you know,and people are willing to work with him.
哇，真是期待见到你 Well, this has been quite a journey to meet you.
昨天晚上我浏览了你的网站 Well,I looked through your site last night.
-嗯 -真是一件件卓越的出色的照片 -Right.-Just incredible pictures. Remarkable.
-难以置信的项目 -对 -Well, incredible subjects.-Yes.
我看到了。 嗨，比尔 I see. Hi, Bill.
[both laugh]
-George在后面 -George？来过这儿？ -George is behind.-George? Over there?
Barack也在后面。 And so is Barack.
我为你准备了一个礼物 -- 我的书 I've got a present for you, my book.
噢，谢谢你。 Oh, thank you. Ooh!
[Platon]这是个军队系列 And it's the whole military project.
这是那些为国贡献所有男人和女人的礼物 It's really a tribute to all the men and women who serve their country.
还有家庭成员的 And family members.
正如我在做的过程中发现的，我没有真正理解它 As I discovered through doing it. I didn't really understand that.
人们不知道他是什么样子 [Powell] People don't know what it's like.
当我儿子10岁的时候 By the time my son was ten years old,
我离开他三年，两年在维也纳，一年在韩国 I'd been away three years of his life,two years in Vietnam and a year in Korea.
人们没意识到代价会落到整个家庭上 People don't realize the toll it takes on a family--
还有妻子 -And a wife.-And a wife.
[Platon]拍一张照片是非常技术性的 Taking a picture is very technical,
但是99.9%的时间都花在联系彼此上 but 99.9% is spent on this connection
这样会让我去了解他 that allows me to reach someone.
通过这种联系 And through that connection,
有一个机会，你也会感受到某些东西 there's just a chance you're going to feel something too.
现在，接着，这是背景纸，别让它倾斜了 Right now, so, this is paper.Don't lean on this.
-好的。 -坐吧 -Got it.-Have a seat.
这个，啊哈，或许，这个小盒子上坐过的 So, uh, probably, more world leaders have sat on this box
世界领导人超过地球上任何椅子 than any other chair on the planet.
卡扎菲和普京都坐过 Gaddafi sat on that box and Putin.
-所以... -So...-[all laugh]
坐的东西很旧，你就将就吧 Not all bottoms are good bottoms.
拍摄你的肖像照是一次合作 Having your portrait taken is a collaboration,
或者一次舞蹈，或者一次战斗 or a dance, or a battle,
依赖于那天我怎样去感知 depending on how I'm feeling that day
我姐妹的感知是怎样 and how my sitter's feeling.
按下 Click.
拍摄查韦斯，我有30s来得到一个画面 With Chavez, I had 30 seconds and I got one frame.
但是他用盘子的圆来代表他的性格 But he gave me his personality on a plate and he knew it.
他起来，然后转身 He got up. He turns 'round,
puts his fist in the air like a power salute
然后他喊，“Platon！” and he shouts, "Platon!"
那真是一个最特别的时刻 It was just the most extraordinary moment!
我站在普京前面，我问他关于披头士乐队的问题 There I am in front of Putin,I'm asking him about The Beatles.
我也不知道自己是否会遇到麻烦 I don't know if I'm gonna get in trouble or not.
但是拍摄普京，你必须靠近些，因为没人能接近普京 But with Putin, you have to go in close,because no one gets close to Putin.
当我在拍摄卡扎菲时 When I was doing Gaddafi,
我知道整个故事都会在这一刻得到总结 I knew that this is going to be a moment where the story is summed up.
我从未经历过那种不寒而栗的威胁和藐视 I've never experienced a chilling sense of menace and defiance.
他并没有特意给你摆姿势 He's not really posing for me.
而是摆给美国的 He's posing for America.
我的工作是与那些非凡的行动者 My work is made from lots of brief encounters
一次次短暂的邂逅 with extraordinary movers and shakers of our time.
他可能是美国总统 [Pollack] It could be President of the United States
可能是非法移民 or it could be an undocumented migrant.
他总在寻找两者共有的尊严 And he's always finding a certain dignity to both
他也总是寻找两者都存在的力量 and he's also finding a certain power in both.
他经常通过人们的眼睛来寻觅 He's getting that often through the person's eyes.
他说，一切的开始源于对话 [Biondi] He says something that starts a conversation.
虽然这样相当单纯，做他的家庭作业 While it is rather spontaneous,he does his homework.
你知道，他怎么会知道普京喜欢披头士乐队？ You know, how did he know that Putin likes The Beatles?
对我来说有点不正常 This is unusual for me,
因为经常和那些杂志和传媒合作 because often I'm working with a magazine and that's the vehicle.
-这很个性化 -嗯 -This is just completely personal.-Mmm-hmm.
这甚至不是在你人生这个时候的一张肖像照 It's not even a picture just of you at this point in your life,
这张照片里有我们 it's a picture about us.
这不仅仅是设计一张出色的照片 [Lois] It ain't just designing a nice photograph.
他深入人心，去交流 He communicates something deep inside somebody.
这是他的艺术 That's his art.
你结婚多久了？ You've been married how long?
54年了，八月份到54年了 Fifty-four years, 54 years in August.
伙计，你必须给我个建议 Dude, you've gotta give me advice.
[laughs]
-给我相机 -做她告诉你做的 -Pass me the camera.-Do what she tells you.
这是最好的建议，做她... That's the best advice,do what she--
我妻子会很高兴你这样做的 My wife will love you for that.
-装傻，不同意 -也是 -Play dumb, don't argue.-Right.
我不知道怎样装傻 I don't know about playing dumb,
我确实只需要干自己，这样就够傻了 I actually just have to be myself,which is pretty dumb.
[both laugh]
嗯，现在他是怎样工作的 All right, now this is how it works.
你或许会问，“什么Platon肖像照？” [Platon] You may ask,"What is a Platon picture?"
有个方法，这个方法非常基础 There's a path, there's a path from the very beginning.
是我在希腊群岛提出的 I was brought up in the Greek Islands,
我妈妈是个艺术史学者 and my mother is an art historian
我父亲是个建筑师 and my father was an architect.
他带我去看漂亮的建筑，他会说，“快看这个房子 He would take me to beautiful buildings and he would say, "Look at this building.
看这韵律，看它开窗的地方 Look at the rhythm,look at the fenestration,
看人对比例的认识 look at the sense of human scale.
它们是怎样联系我们的？ How does it relate to us?
看这个某人创造设计的巨大的、美丽的 And look at the majesty of this giant beautiful thing
教堂。” that someone created and designed."
我父亲曾经用笔和墨水做出美丽的画儿 My father used to do these beautiful drawings in pen and ink.
某种程度上在脑中对黑白美感的认识，也和我一同成长 And I grew up with this sort of black and white aesthetic in my head.
很勇敢 It was so bold.
在成年时期大部分时间都待在暗房里 I spent most of my adult life in the dark with a small red light on,
试图找出一种视觉语言 trying to find that visual language.
如是需要的，就会在这儿。如果不需要，就不在这儿 If it's necessary, it's in there.If it's not necessary, it's not there.
分解它，简化它 So strip it down, simplify it.
就这样做...为了一个核心 Just go... for the core.
我曾经看着像雅典卫城的事物 So I got used to looking at something like the Acropolis
然后想，“天啦，力量。” and thinking, "God, the power."
然后，许多年后，我发现自己站在比尔克林顿（美国前总统）身前 And many years later,I found myself in front of Bill Clinton,
第一位和我合作的总统 the first president I worked with.
我的意思是，他是超出我生活范围的人物 I mean,he's just a larger-than-life character.
你必须抓住这个权力的象征 You have to get this giant monument of power.
在雅典卫城几乎有着一样的感觉 It almost has the same feeling as the Acropolis.
[guitar music playing]
在希腊的每个地方都会有教堂 There were churches everywhere in Greece.
在教堂里，你将会获得 In that church, you're going to have
一个传说人物单一、简单的肖像 a singular simple portrait of a religious figure.
或者只是一个头和肩膀 可能还会有光环 And it's just head and shoulders and there's probably a halo.
图形的简约感 That graphic simplicity
在所有的设计创意中，所有我的作品中 taps in all my design ideas,all the things I'm drawn to.
宗教标志的建筑混杂着现代设计 A religious icon structure mixed with modernist design.
简单、粗暴、优雅 Simple. Bold. Clear.
现在你对Platon的照片有认识了 And you end up with a Platon picture.
我接受了成为一名设计师的教育 So I grew up being educated as a designer.
在艺术学校学习平面设计 I studied graphic design at art college.
我推崇形式、正负空间（正是指有物体内容，负相对无内容形状空白） My deep respect for form and positive and negative space
是来源于学习弗兰克·劳埃德·赖特（1867-1959美国建筑师，作者，教育家）紧凑和膨胀的想法 comes from studying Frank Lloyd Wright's idea of compression and expansion.
你走进弗兰克·劳埃德·赖特的建筑 You walk into a Frank Lloyd Wright building
入口是这样小，几乎只能低着头进去 and the entranceway is so small,it makes you almost dip your head.
然后，往里面走，进入主要的房间 And then, as soon as you walk into the main room,
他一下放大空间 he blows up the space
使你感觉... and it makes you feel...
[inhales]
“噢，真棒，真舒服” "Aw, that's so good."
这儿学到的所有，我都把它实践到我的作品中 These are all lessons I've put into my work.
如果我能深入某人的心灵， If I can tap into someone's spirit,
这会和你走进弗兰克·劳埃德·赖特的房间有着一样的感觉 it's the same feeling as when you walk into a Frank Lloyd Wright room.
它让你敞开心扉。发生了什么 It opens you up. It does something.
这是被恐吓、或者害怕的感觉 And that's either a feeling of complete menace or fear,
也是灵感和希望的感觉 or feeling of inspiration and hope.
但是它对你产生了影响，作为一名普通人 But it does do something to you, as a person.
另外一个杰出的设计师和媒体人 Another great designer and incredible person through media
是乔治·路易斯（在上世纪60年代担任Esquire艺术指导） is George Lois.
他是那种能教你成为一名文化界的叛逆者的人 He's the one that taught me to be a cultural provocateur.
这也是我能在社会中能做的 That's what I can do in society.
我不能解决任何问题，但是能激起愤怒 I can't solve any other problems,but provoke.
我想着他 I consider him one of the few people I know
这个文化上的叛逆者 who are cultural provocateurs.
我认为他照片中的一切，都是他对世界的发言 I think everything he photographs,there's a chance for him to make a comment
这个世界是好还是坏，发生了什么 about what the hell's going on in the world, good or bad.
他最在意那些可怜的人，他关心..... And he deeply cares about the poor.He cares about the...
[stammers]
他在意人性 He just cares about humanity.
所有我认为英雄是那些叫我按下按钮 [Platon] All my heroes are people who teach me about pushing buttons
然后教我把自己推到一个能让你感受到某些东西的程度 and pushing myself to a point where I can make you feel something.
Platon全部创作，作为一名艺术指导 [Pollack] Platon approaches all of his pictures as an art director.
他在他的镜头中嵌入 He embeds in his shoots
一种分离的感觉，这些东西将怎么去设计 a sense of pacing,how something's going to lay out.
因为我尝试简化一切 [Platon] Because I'm trying to simplify everything,
我的照片在杂志封面上格外引人注目 my pictures stand out on the covers of magazines.
但是我的缺点是 But it's really made out of my flaws.
我不能面对复杂的事物 That I can't cope with complication.
我是一个极端的朗读困难症患者 I'm extremely dyslexic.
我在写作上有问题，我写字超级慢 I have trouble writing.I write very slowly.
读对我来说也是一个大问题 And reading for me is a huge problem.
对我来说，一个非常复杂的世界必须简化 For me, a very complex world has to be simplified.
必须拆开它 Has to be stripped down.
设计对我来说，是逃出困惑的一个途径 And design, for me,was a way out of confusion.
因为一个伟大设计 简化一个非常复杂的世界 Because great design simplifies a very complicated world.
我依旧用同样的灯光去拍摄 I still shoot with the same type of light.
用同样的胶卷 The same film.
同样的盒子 The same box.
同样的摄影伞 The same shoot-through umbrella.
同样的相机 The same camera.
一切都是一样的，却能传递不同的概念 Everything is the same and it allows the message to change.
现在，我会给你一点安排，所以我想让你肩膀放松些 Now, I'm going structure you a bit, so I want your shoulders dead on to me.
好？这就是画面中一切 -现在，好了？所以... Okay? This is all that's in the frame right now, all right? So that's...
我用长焦镜头拍摄头像特写 色彩的 I begin with a long lens headshot, color.
这总是我开始地方 That's always my first base.
别动，真美丽 Don't move, that's beautiful.
现在，我想你去思考... Now, I want you to think...
[camera clicks and winds]
我们刚刚讨论的牺牲 about what we talked about with sacrifice.
待在这儿，这儿... Stay there, stay there...
然后突然，我突破了一点 And then suddenly,I break through a tiny bit,
而不是去单纯的接纳它、吸收它 and instead of taking it and absorbing it,
我一千次给它恰当的返回时间，对着他们的脸我通常会大声说 I give it right back times a thousand,and I normally yell at their face.
太棒了！ [loudly] Amazing!
啊，一会儿回家吧，怎么... Well, let's go home then. What the...
别，我们会和睦相处的，继续保持就好了 No, we're warming up.It just keeps getting better!
对了，对着我 Right, stay with me.
摧毁所有他们建造的藩篱的吃惊 The shock of that destroys all walls that they thought they were building.
非常柔和，头向右偏一点，停！ Very gently, head a bit this way. Stop!
[camera clicks]
-黑和白。 -一样？ -Black and white.-[Cory] Same thing?
对，黑色背景 Yep. Black background.
我想让你在这儿别动 I want you to stay exactly where you are.
我们会在你身后放一个小的黑色背景 We're going to put a small black background behind you.
-Mm-hmm。 -好。Gabby会过来 -Mm-hmm.-Okay. Gabby will come in.
我放一个黑色背景，因为我想要一种亲密的感觉 I'll put up a black background,because I want a sense of closed intimacy.
你好了吗？-好了 -You okay?-[Powell] Yeah.
现在，保持你的样子 Now, keep your spirit.
别动 Don't move.
真美丽，坚持住 That's beautiful. Hold that.
眼睛看这儿，这儿 Eyes here. That's it.
真美丽 Beautiful.
[camera clicks and winds]
还要一个，黑和白，进行的不错，换回白色背景 One more, black and white.We're good here. Go to white background.
我不相信你会允许你的工具去支配信息 I don't believe you should ever allow your tools to dominate the message.
伟大的设计是当拿掉所有次要的东西，你获得主要的信息 Great design is when all those things take a backseat and you get the message.
他还是使用胶卷拍摄 [Pollack] He still shoots with film.
这真的在摄影师和主题之间创造了非常不同的背景 That really creates a very different set between a photographer and a subject.
当你数字拍摄时 When you're photographing digital,
你几乎是看着电子屏幕 you're constantly looking at the pictures on the screen
这会让你在主题和摄影师之间 and what has happened is you're losing that intimacy
失去一种亲密感 between photographer and subject.
最神奇的部分就是联系 The magic part of the relationship
靠近你所想拍摄的照片 of getting to the picture that you want to make.
[clicking]
坚持 [Platon] Hold that.
Cory，低一点 Cory, come lower.
我需要靠近我的兄弟姐妹们，我需要切身体会他们的感受 I need to be close to my sitters,and I need to feel what they're feeling.
这是一个非常痛苦的成长和经历的过程 It's a very painful process of growth and experience.
别动 Don't move.
我试着成为自己移民 I learned that being an immigrant myself.
当我到达伦敦时是8岁 When I arrived in England at the age of eight years old,
我那是只是个外国人，我是个外国人 I wasn't just a foreigner.I was a "bloody foreigner."
一年后，我发现自己在散步，在周六下午 Years later, I found myself walking on a Saturday afternoon
我用这个相机来度过的 and... I got jumped by this guy.
他让生命远离我 And he beat the living daylights out of me.
裂开的头骨，还有颊骨和眼骨，所有的肋骨都断了 Skull fractured, both cheek bones,eye sockets, all my ribs busted.
那时候真糟糕，伙计 And I was a mess, man.
有点像，“为什么是我？”从我满是伤口的嘴里冒出 It was just like, "Why me?"Mumbling through my messed-up mouth.
隔壁的老太太在床上说， And this old lady in the bed next door said,
“年轻人 "Young man,
为什么不是你？ why not you?
为什么你如此特别？” What's so special about you?"
我非常愿意说天使开始歌唱，和唱诗班 I would like to say that angels started singing, and choirs,
又是一束光穿过窗户 and there was a light came through the window,
作为一名摄影师，我看见了 as a photographer, I saw it...
全是扯淡 That's all bullshit.
根本就没有发生过 None of that happened.
但是过了会儿 But after a while,
我意识到，如果我能利用发生在我身上的事情 I realized that if I can harness the experience of what happened to me,
那么我就知道什么是伤害 I now know what it is to hurt.
这儿有扇门通向我从未去过的地方 That is a door to something that you never had before,
那里面还是未知的 and that is empathy.
我拍照片是反对机构主义的 I was doing pictures in London that reacted against façade,
因为名气、权力和名人对我来说无关紧要 because fame and power and celebrity meant nothing to me.
我早期的图片，像坏男孩（亚历山大 麦昆） My early pictures, like Alexander McQueen,
是我想说的一部分过程 are part of that process of trying to say,
Screw看起来很棒，娴熟和世故 "Screw looking great and suave and sophisticated,
我想要真实的东西 I want some truth."
我拍摄髋关节 I was shooting from the hip
在离开伦敦的街头杂志 in street magazines that were coming out of London.
所以有一天，我接到一个电话，来自于JFK Jr.'s办公室 So one day,I got a call from JFK Jr.'s office.
他看了我所有的作品，《face》《Arena》《i-D》 He saw all that work in Face, Arena, i-D,
他说，“你的作品中有些东西需要让它发光 and he said, "There's something in your work that lacks polish.
这样的作品就是我想在《George》杂志上想看到的 This is the kind of work I want in George magazine."
如果我看着照片 我感觉我就是了解他们 If I look at the picture and I feel I know them,
这就是我想要的 that's what I want.
给我一种遇见他们是什么感觉 Show me what it's like to meet them.
这让我从一条不可思议的路上开始出发 And it began me on a path,which was incredible.
在美国我认为这将是一个大突破 I thought that's gonna be my big break in America.
这儿没有把社会名流展现在公众面前的途径， There's no way I'd have access to people at the highest level
因为没有《George》杂志 without George magazine.
它给了我信心继续去保持前进 It gave me confidence to keep pushing.
如果我说从未用过灯光来装饰，我会是个骗子 I would be a fraud if I said I wasn't ever dazzled by the lights.
这是最危险的事情 It's the most dangerous thing.
你停止深入思考 You stop thinking straight.
当John悲剧的死去，我想，“一切都完了” And when John tragically died,I thought, "It's all over."
所以我回到希腊 So I went back to Greece.
[ship's horn blaring]
专注于的创作，集中于我所知道的 Just focused my creative attention on what I know.
在这儿用一个作者的眼光，我能表达我自己 Where I can express myself in an authentic way.
周围是那些不在乎 And that's around real people who don't give a shit
他们自己脸上是否有白线的人 about whether they've got lines on their face.
[men speaking Greek inside]
噢！ Oh!
嗨，朋友 -嗨，我朋友 -[Platon in Greek] Hello, my friend!-[man] Hello, my friend!
最近怎样？见到你真好 [in English] How are you?So nice to see you again.
你看起来很棒啊 [in English] You look fantastic.
我们去坐会儿吧，坐你父亲坐过的位子 So what we're going to do is sit.Sit where your father sat.
他总是在这儿和这儿。 -对 -So he was always here and there.-Yes.
当我还是个孩子时，我经常坐这儿，在方框中画画 [Platon] When I was a kid,I would always sit and draw in the square.
我曾经画了所有老人们，不管是男的还是女的 I used to draw all the old men and ladies.
它们很安静，和缓慢 It was calm and slow.
老人们会坐在椅子上待5个小时 The old man would sit in that chair for five hours.
当你还坐着的时候， When you are still and sitting,
你的思绪越过屋顶，飘向远方 your powers of observation go through the roof.
如果有人路过，真是一个惊喜 If someone walks by,it's a massive event.
你开始注意，这位女士的袜子上有一个洞 You start noticing that the lady's stockings have got a tear,
他们背的包里面或许什么都没有 that the bag they're carrying maybe has nothing in it.
你轻声走进他们的世界 You tap into the human condition.
这真是一件有意思的事情 That's a very powerful thing.
你开始理解许多人性中惊奇的细节 And it's those amazing details of humanity that you start to understand.
[acoustic guitar playing]
[guitar continues playing]
[church bells ringing]
[people chattering in Greek]
噢，你好啊 -好啊 -[woman in Greek] Oh! How are you? -[Platon in Greek] Yes, fine.
-Bravo -你？咦？走吧 -Bravo.-You? So-so? Come on...
没什么，我好着，我有我的手杖 No, I'm fine. I have my cane.
-好好！ -我们做什么？ -Okay, okay!-What can we do?
[laughs]
[continues laughing]
你知道，他们说，我风格来源于 You know, people say I probably developed my style
看着理查德·阿维顿（20世纪摄影大师）或者Irving Penn looking at Richard Avedon or Irving Penn.
但是这不是真的 But that's not actually true.
我的白背景来自于这些白房子 My white backgrounds come from these white houses.
[laughing and chatting in Greek]
我35千米的家乡有着特殊的含义 My 35mil. stuff is about context and atmosphere.
不会总是能去发现那些 It's not always about getting all that detail
我能在工作室里拍摄到的细节 that I would get in a studio sitting.
总会有灯光 Always available light.
最好的光线就是没有处理过的太阳光 The best light is just raw sunlight.
没有灯光，没有助手 No lights, no assistants.
这是摄影的生命和冲击 It's photography alive and kicking.
这儿唯一你能做的就是专注于激情，尊严和人性 The only thing you can do is focus on compassion, dignity and humility.
[whispers in Greek]
[camera clicks, winds forward]
[clicking and winding continues]
非常强大的联系 [softly] It's a very powerful connection,
这就是摄影的感觉 and that is what photography feels like.
[sighs]
[laughs softly]
在它的最后，你会获得美感 [Platon] At the end of it,you've got the aesthetic.
最后才能来的 That comes last.
[traditional Greek music playing]
当我回到希腊的时候，我去拜访他们 When I came back to Greece,I came back to my people.
发现我作为人类的足迹，它是种特殊的经历 And it was an empowering experience of finding my feet as a human being.
[whoops]
[more whooping]
[cheering and applauding]
[cheering and clapping continues]
然后我回到纽约 After that, I went back to New York
我和团队花了一年的时间在这些素材上 and I spent a year working on the material with my team
然后《纽约客》听说了这个 and then The New Yorker heard about it.
我们确实希望增加其他摄影师 [Biondi] We were actually looking of adding another photographer.
他给我看他的作品，我记得是他希腊的照片 He showed me his work, and what I remember of them most were his Greek photographs.
讽刺的是，我回希腊 [Platon] The irony is I went back to Greece
去做的事情是我认为《纽约客》会喜欢的，而事实恰恰相反 to do something that is the antithesis of what I expected The New Yorker to like.
我第一个主题对他们来说一个大尺度的摄影随录 My first project for them was a large-scale photo essay.
我们遇上了一个复杂的、分裂的大选 We were heading into a very complicated, divisive election.
奥巴马第一次当选 Obama's first election.
我们想做一些能在美国引起和谐讨论的事情 And we wanted to do something that would provoke respectful debate in America.
我深入美国军队 And I got embedded with the US Military
同样的，为了美国最近的战争 部队在接受训练 as our troops trained for America's most recent wars.
[gentle piano music playing]
它成了一个常年的项目 It became a year-long project.
我们去阿林顿国家公墓(在弗吉尼亚州)，是最重要的部分之一 We went to Arlington Cemetery as one of the important sessions.
我注意到这位女士拿着一张椅子和一本书，每天到她儿子的墓前 And I noticed this lady takes a fold-out picnic chair every day to her son's grave,
在她儿子的墓碑前朗读 and reads to her son's gravestone.
[piano music continues]
我只是震惊和悲伤 I was just devastated.
如果这对我有什么启发 And if it meant something to me,
这儿的故事也会对其他人有所启发的 there's just a chance it means something to other people.
在这个国家成为穆斯林有错吗？ Is it wrong to be a Muslim in this country?
回答是，“没错，这不符合美国精神” The answer is, "No, that's not America."
对这个特殊的观点，我很生气 [Powell] I feel strongly about this particular point
我在杂志上看见一张照片 because of a picture I saw in a magazine.
一本关于在伊拉克和阿富汗服役过的部队的摄影随录 It was a photo-essay about troops who were serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.
其中一张是在阿林顿国家公墓的一位母亲 And one picture was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery.
她枕着她儿子的墓碑 She had her head on the headstone of her son's grave,
你能看到他的徽章，紫心勋章、青铜星章（授与英勇作战者） and you could see his awards,Purple Heart, Bronze Star.
二十岁的他，死在伊拉克 He was 20 years old. He died in Iraq.
然后在最上面 And then at the very top,
有着代表穆斯林信仰的新月 it had a crescent and a star of the Islamic faith.
他是美国人，他献出了生命 He was an American and he gave his life.
我想说， There was something I had wanted to say
在2008，这种狭隘的偏见越来越多 about the intolerance that is being shown increasingly in 2008,
坦白的说它还好持续 and frankly it has continued.
所以，我说“我能怎么能说清楚？” And so I said, "How can I really illustrate and demonstrate this?"
欺骗！这儿有照片 And bam, there was the photo.
这只是开始 [Platon] That was the beginning.
我意识到 I realized that from now on,
英雄是启发我们 the hero is the person that inspires us
去再次去思考我们精神方向 to think again about our own moral compass
和我们自己作为全球公民的职责 and our own responsibility as global citizens.
Platon在他的作品中有着真理的力量 Platon talks truth to power in his work,
在他讨论真实的力量 and he talks truth to power
在他选择去拍摄的主题中 in the subjects that he chooses to shoot sometimes.
我逐渐了解到人权 [Platon] Human Rights Watch approached me
他们说，“这个国家被称之为缅甸 and they said, "There's this country called Burma
这儿由一个残忍的军事政权统治 that's run by a brutal military regime.
没有人讨论他，我们为此能做什么？” No one's talking about it.Can we do something about it?"
我们出版了所有作品 We published all the work,
一下子炸了 and it blew up!
某种程度上图片也能影响世界 That sort of aspect of pictures can change the world.
这些故事将会在发布的画册重写 These stories will be placed in publications
大家都会重新聚焦到这个糟糕的地方 and that collectively brings a focus on horrible situations
这个确实存在在这个世界上的地方 that exist in the world.
我意识到，如果我能捐出我自己钱 [Platon] I realized if I were to raise my own money,
我会去非政府组织社区找我朋友 I could go to my friends in the NGO community,
然后我会说，“给我讲讲你的故事，我会讲给世人。” and I'll say, "Give me your stories and I will bring them to life."
Platon带着一系列不可思议的照片来找我 [Pollack] Platon came to me with an incredible series of pictures
这是关于非法移民，在美国 on undocumented migrants in this country.
他凝视着那些真在分崩离析的家庭 He was interested in families that were being torn apart,
我们会出版他的画册，不仅仅是拍摄 and we were able to publish that work.And not only did he photograph them,
还有他采访的那些人 but he interviewed them.
真是一个难以置信的系列 It was an incredible series.
我工作成了建桥工 [Platon] And my job is to be the bridge builder.
如果我们没有体验过这种联系，那么我们作为人类就没什么了 And we're nothing as human beings if we don't experience that connection.
所以我创建了THE PEOPLE'S PROTFOLIO So I founded The People's Portfolio
去帮助讲述这些重要的故事，我们的生活中 to help tell these important stories of our time.
[African drumming]
什么把我带到刚果 What brought me to Congo
一次机会去会见这个迷人的男人，Mukwege博士 was a chance meeting with this incredible man called Dr. Mukwege.
他是个妇产科医生 He's a gynecologist.
他发明了一个小练习 He set up a small practice
来帮助女人在正常、放松的环境下分娩 to help women give birth in a happy, normal environment.
但是故事是怎样开始的 But what started to happen,
女人到达他医院的门前 women were arriving at the gates of his hospital
她们经历过你难以想象 最痛苦的性虐待 who experienced the most traumatic sexual violence you could imagine.
他治愈那些文明的创伤 He's dealing with this trauma of civilization.
他邀请我和我的团队去他的医院 He invited me to his hospital with my team.
如果我能帮助他，我一定要去看 I was committed to see if I could help him.
我说我非常乐意去拍摄这些艰难的人 And I said I would love to photograph the survivors
我也会非常愿意去讲述一个伟大的故事 and I would like to tell a broader story as well.
所以我和两个伙伴 So I hooked up with two partners,
PANZI 医院基地 the Panzi Hospital Foundation
然后其他组织叫他人权医生 and then another organization called Physicians for Human Rights.
我们通过巨大的网组织在一起 And we all formed this giant network together.
嗨，Platon [Mukwege] Hello, Platon.
真是一个长长的旅途 It's been a long journey.
-我们来这儿支持你，我整个团队 -谢谢你 -And we're here for you, my whole team. -Thank you.
我从未把它放到一起，这是最难的任务 [Platon] This was the hardest mission I've ever put together.
计划了三年 It was a three-year project to plan.
-[people singing] -[drums banging]
人们需要知道刚果发生了什么 [Platon] People need to know what's going on in Congo.
我的工作是在断掉的路上搭建一座 And my job is to build that bridge in a solid way.
真实的力量，设计的全部理念 The power of the content,that's the whole point of design.
当你感到某种无与伦比的强大的那一刻 That moment when you feel something very powerful.
阿门 [all singers] Amen.
[Mukwege in Swahili] 他是个牛逼摄影师 He is a famous photographer
举世闻名 and is known all over the world.
Platon.
[crowd clapping and laughing]
尊敬的主 [Mukwege] Glory be to the Lord.
阿门 [all] Amen.
刚果危机非常复杂 [Platon] The crisis in the Congo is very complicated.
这是个矿产丰富的国度 It's a mineral-rich country,
但是那些矿产 but with that mineral wealth
也带来了腐败、叛乱、流浪者、军队 has also come great corruption, rebels, civilians, militia.
[gunfire]
刚果的基本概念是 The underlying notion of the Congo
如果你想要土地，你来拿啊 is that if you want territory, you take it.
而取得土地最快最容易的方式就是 And the easiest and cheapest way to take the land
以掠夺作为战争武器而开始 begins with using rape as a weapon of warfare.
豪取掠夺比子弹还便宜 Rape is cheaper than bullets.
我们一定要知道 We all just have to be aware.
我们面对是妇女 We're dealing with women
这些妇女在生命中都经历过极其悲惨的境遇 who have been through the worst circumstances in their lives,
我们是大爷们 and we're a bunch of guys.
表现的温柔些，好吧？ Just be gentle. All right?
我准备一次拍摄一人 或者两人 I'm going to photograph one at a time, maybe two together.
好 Okay.
[speaking French]
好，把胶片给我 All right, turn over the paper.
[interpreter speaking indistinctly]
Cory，不用那么认真 [Platon] Cory, go easy with the reading.
[camera clicks and winds]
这些作品的内容 [Platon] What makes this work
并不是一堆你已经设定好的参数 is not a calculated argument that you've scripted.
而是其中表现出来的人性之美和令人寻味 It's just the beauty and delicacy of the human condition.
-孕妇，是强奸吗？ -对，是的 -Pregnant, all from rape? -[male nurse] Yes, all from rape.
嗯，你需要快一点，cory [Platon] All right, you got to be fast, Cory.
好 Okay.
现在 Now...
我清楚的知道 只要我一伸手 相机就在这儿 [Platon] I know exactly where, if I reach my hand, the lens is right there.
我不想只是看着我的相机 调整光圈 I don't want to look down at my camera to adjust the f-stops.
因为那就意味着我的双眼会远离这个故事 Because that means I'm taking my eye off the story for a second.
如果我觉得对方眼睛失去了光芒 If I'm losing the glint in your eye a bit too much,
我会让她看着镜头偏上的位置 I'll get you to look just above the lens
这样的你的眼睛就可以被光线照到 and that would just be enough for your eyes to hit the light.
就是稍微扭转一点头的事儿 It's just a twist of the neck now.
有时候我会摸着我的胸膛 做出手势 Sometimes I just touch my chest and gesture out,
好像在说“敞开心扉” as if to say "Open up."
[camera clicks and winds]
黑白，让我们动作快一点 Black and white, let's move fast.
[gentle music playing]
我能问一下在她身上发生了什么吗？ Can I ask her to tell me what happened to her?
[Esther in Swahili] 一天我从学校回来 One day I was coming from school
去河边打水 and went to fetch water from a river.
我遇到一个男人 说：如果我不顺从他 交媾 I met a man who told me that if I didn't have sex with him,
他会用刀杀了我 he promised he'd kill me with a knife.
在他放我走了之后 Then after he let me go.
我接受治疗，后来生下这个孩子 I got treatment, and after, I gave birth to this baby.
[camera clicks and winds]
当我深深陷入其中 [Platon] When I'm really locked in...
嗯 Got it.
这是一种令人震惊 恐惧的感觉 每次都会有 it's an amazing, terrifying experience, every time.
这里每个人身上都会有一种力量 There's such strength in everyone here.
再接下来的几张照片中 想想女性的那种力量 In these next few pictures, channel all that strength from the women.
穿透你的灵魂 然后散发出来 进入相机 It goes through your heart, out, into the camera,
传达给这个世界 out to the world.
如果我除了问题 Because if I get it wrong,
我会造成很大伤害 I can actually do great harm.
[camera clicks and winds]
提前做好工作 真的很重要 It's really important that my homework is done.
好吧，真是一场血腥的犯罪！ [sighs] All right, it's a bloody wrap.
[general chatter]
[upbeat music playing]
我学到的一切关于对错的不同 All the things I have learnt about the difference between right and wrong,
我需要从我的工作中去学习这些 I need to learn these things through my job.
如果我能把这些价值观传递出去 And if I can pass those values on,
那是最好的 then it's a good thing.
一有机会来做这样的事情 我很竭尽全力 And a lot of the time, to do these things, I'm away all the time.
我在这里讲的一种讲述别人故事的责任 Here I am talking about the responsibility of telling people's stories
还要把它做对 and getting it right...
同时我也是一名家庭责任的男人 But I also have a responsibility as a family man. Platon家里
还要吗？ Shall we get some more?
好 -你要做什么？ -All right... -[girl] What are you going to do?
不知道，我要用这个 I don't know. I'm going to take this one
我要使用跟你一样的颜色 and I am going to use the same blue as you.
点一些小点，你觉得呢？ So just the spots, what do you think?
这非常有趣 因为我实际上就是那个凝固时间的人 It's funny, because I am actually the one that freezes time.
所以我在现在知道每一个时刻是多么可贵 So I now know how precious every moment is.
我希望能够充分利用每一分一秒 And I'm trying to squeeze it so dry every second.
Cory？ -嗯？ -Cory? -Yup?
你能告诉我 咱们选的是哪张Esther的照片？ 第十二张？ Can you tell me what frame we used for Esther? Was it frame 12?
不，是 1-4C组 第三章 No, it was contact one, four C, frame three.
嗯 Got it.
Hmm...
[gentle piano music playing]
让我们来看看样稿 Let's have a look at the edits.
这是所有你选出来 的 [Cory] This is everything thus far that you've selected.
这是esther And then Esther.
看，仅仅看孩子很动人 So here, there's something beautiful about just focusing on the baby,
但是这张 but in this case,
我认为你要关注她 I think you need her.
你能说她承受了巨大的伤痛，我是说看出 这一道伤疤 You can tell she's in pain. I mean look, there's a scar.
我还反复看了这构图 But I've also seen this shape so many times.
但是这一张却完全敞开心扉了 But there's something totally open about this.
这不是表演，她很真诚，非常坦诚 No one's performing. She's just very open, very raw.
我们把它扫描出来给鲍勃 So let's scan it and give it to Bob.
这台台鼓式扫描仪是80年代美国航天局制造的 The drum scanner I have was built by NASA in the '80s.
他对纹理的处理 It does something beautiful to the grain
是其他扫描仪做不到的 that you just can't get with other scanners.
我做的一切都是基于暗房 Everything I do is based on the dark room.
给你看看这个 [Bob] Let me show you this.
我能在印刷呈现出来的所有效果 The only way I can bring out all these elements in a print
是通过开始把这些不同的元素分开 is to start isolating different elements
然后慎重的对他们进行出来 and treat them all with their own reverence.
我觉得这儿有点亮，把这儿调暗一点 I think they're a little intense, so let's bring them down.
Ps的危险 The danger of Photoshop
这里所有的元素不过是一个个连续滑动的滑动条 is that everything is just a constant sliding scale.
我们中来不用魔棒工具 We never use the magic wand,
这个工具会去选择一个确定的区域 which is a tool to just instantly select certain areas.
我们所有的修饰都是靠手描 Everything is hand drawn.
都是的 Everything.
我们现在处理这儿，我们寻求整体的平衡 And now we're just getting to the bit where we just have to balance it all out.
尽管我们有了这些惊人的科技 我们不能让工具主宰我们 With all this amazing technology, the tools must never dominate us.
我觉得好了 I think we're good.
[Bob] Okay.
[expectant, hopeful music playing]
快好了 [Platon] It's getting close.
Wow.
[exclaims]
快看 Look at that.
Wow.
真棒 That's beautiful.
通过这张照片 Through this picture,
她可以给相同境遇的人们一种强大的力量 she will give other people in a similar position great strength.
别动 So when I press the shutter...
Hold that.
就发生了一些神奇的事情 something amazing happens.
就是这样 Yes!
这是1/500秒 It's 500th of a second,
但是它是凝固的 but it's freezed an event.
你一直在寻找这样的时刻 You're looking for a moment
当你感受到时 你与你的灵魂就会靠近 when you feel you're as close to the soul as possible.
这就是好的设计 That's what good design is,
那时它会让你得到自由 她会让你 when it liberates you, and it allows you to do that,
去感受一些震撼人心的东西 to help you feel something very powerful.
这就是摄影的力量 And that's when you make an icon.
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